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    Quote Originally Posted by Biggles
    I just read a story online about the NRA beginning its news operations today. For Second Amendment supporters, the address is www.nranews.com. For those of you who think only the government should have arms, maybe the info will provide food for thought.
    I have no use for an organization that claims to be pro second amendment and does things like endorse and actually campaign for the Gun Control Act of 1968. With friends like the NRA, we really don't need enemies.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken Valentine
    I have no use for an organization that claims to be pro second amendment and does things like endorse and actually campaign for the Gun Control Act of 1968. With friends like the NRA, we really don't need enemies.



    Ken V.

    I think the NRA has learned its lesson there Ken. Many people have been seduced by "reasonable" limitations on their rights, myself included. As I've gotten older and wiser, I now realize that there is NO reasonable limitation upon my individual rights as long as my exercise thereof does not interfere with the rights of others. It took me over 40 years to become a complete libertarian.

    The NRA is drawing a line now. Granted, they should have drawn it 30 years ago, but we'll take what we can get.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Biggles
    The NRA is drawing a line now. Granted, they should have drawn it 30 years ago, but we'll take what we can get.
    Thirty years ago? Try seventy years ago!
    They have been stabbing gun owners in the back for at least that long.

    http://keepandbeararms.com/NRA/NFA.asp

    One little "feel good" piece of crapaganda is not going to change my mind. They've done this sort of thing before. Like in 1995, when they sat down with Hand Gun Control,Inc., and wrote Act 17, a gun law that was passed in Pennsylvania late that year -- and lied to their members about what was IN the law. They also endorsed the Brady Bill,* wrote the Maryland hand gun ban, and came up with their own unconstitutional National Instant Check System.

    In the most sordid sense of the word, the NRA is a pack of WHORE'S-- you give them your money and they f**k you!

    http://www.libertyartworx.com/bushypromise.html

    So, the question in my mind is, have they truly decided to stop betraying gun owners and the second amendment? Or is this just one more of their insidious lies? Only time will tell. And for me, it is going to take a LOOOOOOOONG time. They have a lot to make up for.

    Ken V. -- Life Member JPFO

    *Sarah Brady is a life long Republican, and self proclaimed Conservative.

    P.S. Thomas Dodd, the late Senator from Connecticut, didn't "write" the Gun Control Act of 1968 -- he actually copied it from the NAZI weapons law of 1938.

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    I seem to have joined a few days late and a dollar short, but one of my favorite small handguns is the Walther PPK 9mm. Then again James Bond may have a corner on the market since its sort of a trade mark with him.

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    Sounds like a 9mm Kel-Tec P-11 is the way to go. The Eldorado Starfires sound like a good round.

    Thanks, guys

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry
    I seem to have joined a few days late and a dollar short, but one of my favorite small handguns is the Walther PPK 9mm. Then again James Bond may have a corner on the market since its sort of a trade mark with him.

    Jerry

    The PPK was only available in .22LR, .25ACP (6.35mm), .32ACP (7.65mm), and .380ACP (9mm Kurz). The "9mm Kurz" is a 9x17 round much less powerful than the 9mm Parabellum or Luger round, which is 9x19. The two extra millimeters of length and wider base on the 9x19 translate into about twice the kinetic energy. A .380 pushes a 95 grain bullet out at a maximum of 1050 fps, whereas the Hornady loading for the 9x19 propels a 95 grain bullet at 1350fps. Corbon produces a 115 grain 9x19 loading at 1350fps. I own a Walther PP and a Hungarian clone of the PPK, and both are quality guns, but 9mm is available in much smaller guns now than used to be the case. 007 has even gone to a 9mm as you will note in the Pearce Brosnan films.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Biggles
    The PPK was only available in .22LR, .25ACP (6.35mm), .32ACP (7.65mm), and .380ACP (9mm Kurz). The "9mm Kurz" is a 9x17 round much less powerful than the 9mm Parabellum or Luger round, which is 9x19. The two extra millimeters of length and wider base on the 9x19 translate into about twice the kinetic energy. A .380 pushes a 95 grain bullet out at a maximum of 1050 fps, whereas the Hornady loading for the 9x19 propels a 95 grain bullet at 1350fps. Corbon produces a 115 grain 9x19 loading at 1350fps. I own a Walther PP and a Hungarian clone of the PPK, and both are quality guns, but 9mm is available in much smaller guns now than used to be the case. 007 has even gone to a 9mm as you will note in the Pearce Brosnan films.
    Originally, Bond used a Beretta in .25 ACP -- possibly a Minx. Later, as shown in the movie Doctor No (?) he was issued a Walther PPK in .32 ACP.
    In my collection, I have a PP in .380, A stainless PPK in .380, and a PPK in .32. The Stainless is American made, and the other two are German. Don't shoot them much as -- with my meaty hands -- I tend to get slide bite. But they are all very well made.

    My 9mm hand loads have a 125 grain H & G #275 at 1313 fps -- 10-shot average. It's a good versatile round.

    Ken V.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken Valentine
    Originally, Bond used a Beretta in .25 ACP -- possibly a Minx. Later, as shown in the movie Doctor No (?) he was issued a Walther PPK in .32 ACP.
    In my collection, I have a PP in .380, A stainless PPK in .380, and a PPK in .32. The Stainless is American made, and the other two are German. Don't shoot them much as -- with my meaty hands -- I tend to get slide bite. But they are all very well made.

    My 9mm hand loads have a 125 grain H & G #275 at 1313 fps -- 10-shot average. It's a good versatile round.

    Ken V.
    I had to laugh in Dr. No when they made him turn in a .25 for a .32. I guess he could hunt bigger mice, eh?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Biggles
    I had to laugh in Dr. No when they made him turn in a .25 for a .32. I guess he could hunt bigger mice, eh?
    Vaughn Meiss was shot with a .380.

    I figure James Bond had a license to startle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Biggles
    I had to laugh in Dr. No when they made him turn in a .25 for a .32. I guess he could hunt bigger mice, eh?
    That brought back a memory of my days at the B&N Sale Annex. When a new hire for my crew would come on board, I'd show them around the place. Our lunchroom (actually the entire basement) was plagued with world-class waterbugs and mice. When a mouse scurried across the floor, I'd explain to the new soul that it was rare to see mice. "Oh, that's unusual, I hope?" they'd ask. "Sure is," I'd say. "Generally the rats eat 'em."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken Valentine
    Vaughn Meiss was shot with a .380.

    I figure James Bond had a license to startle.

    Ken V.
    Correction. Vaughn Meiss was tenderized by a Shitload of .380s from a Mac 11 machine pistol. A couple of .380s to center mass would have been survivable.
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    In Ireland, in Lebanon, in Palestine and Berkeley
    Patty Hearst heard the burst of Roland's Thompson gun and bought it.--Warren Zevon

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