"Teaching Resentment"

[RussM]

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[Ken Valentine]

. . . exacerbates the very problems it is supposed to resolve.

Russ Madden

In my view, this is not just an accurate statement of schools, but of government in general. Governments ALWAYS end up becoming the very thing they were created to prevent.

As far as the actual pledge is concerned, I think it should be COMPLETELY ELIMINATED!

See the following for an accurate history of the Pledge.

http://members.ij.net/rex/pledge3.html

It's very likely that the NAZI's copied their salute from our salute for the pledge of allegiance.

Ken V.

[Lisa]

When school is mandatory and school is run by the government, it's only natural that the government would use it to ingrain its own agenda in our children's minds. The Pledge of Allegiance is propaganda. No Child Left Behind is a farce. Coerced public schooling stinks.

That's all for now. ;)

Lisa (and her homeschooled children)

[Ken Valentine]

When school is mandatory and school is run by the government, it's only natural that the government would use it to ingrain its own agenda in our children's minds. The Pledge of Allegiance is propaganda. No Child Left Behind is a farce. Coerced public schooling stinks.

That's all for now. ;)

Lisa (and her homeschooled children)


I agree whole heartedly! In fact I am firmly convinced that the reason governments take over "education" in the first place is for the purpose of indoctrination and propaganda. To teach history and politics in a way that makes the gummymint look good, or barring that -- inevitable. And when children grow up with the gummymint approved version of history, it's almost impossible the teach them the truth.

How many people know -- or would believe -- that the idea for a tax on tea came from none other than Benjamin Franklin?

Some of our "National Hero's" weren't all that heroic.

Ken V.

[Ken Valentine]

[QUOTE=Ken Valentine]I agree whole heartedly! In fact I am firmly convinced that the reason governments take over "education" in the first place is for the purpose of indoctrination and propaganda.

Exactly. Consider Dewey and Mann. If you haven't run across it yet, _Separating School and State_ by Sheldon Richman covers much of the history of State-run education. (I try to say State-run or government-run schools, as often as I can. Even the name "public" schools hides the true nature of this situation; subtle propaganda. I mean, groceries stores are "public," too, but hardly functionally equivalent to "public" schools...or parks...or...

Russ Madden


Another source is, THE UNDERGROUND HISTORY OF AMERICAN EDUCATION by John Taylor Gatto.

I just call them "Youth Propaganda Camps."

Ken V.

[Don B]

When school is mandatory and school is run by the government, it's only natural that the government would use it to ingrain its own agenda in our children's minds. The Pledge of Allegiance is propaganda. No Child Left Behind is a farce. Coerced public schooling stinks.

That's all for now. ;)

Lisa (and her homeschooled children)


I was a public school teacher for ten years and I also agree. Trying to teach children who don't want to learn and don't know why they have to is a drag on the whole concept of education. Instead we have a system where all children must learn a state curriculum in order to pass state tests so that schools continue to collect state money that comes from the taxes the state continues to collect from us under the penalty of law.

[The Mad American]

Along these lines another good book to read is "The Language Police" by Diane Kravitch. Very funny in a very disturbing way. It documents the history of PCing the language in text books for schools.

There is a funny piece that talks about how text books can no longer use the term "old" to describe old people, and cannot use the words "sea" or "ocean" as it may upset and confuse children who have grown up in a landlocked area...and it discourages the use of man or men as that seems to be a sexist term, it goes on to ask the question, "So what do you suppose they use for the title of Hemingways "The Old Man and The Sea"?" "The Aged Person and the Large Body of Water"? Just doesn't have the same ring to it....

Its is a very bad thing that government has let special interest groups ON BOTH SIDES of our cultural/political world dictate what can and cannot be taught to our children.

[Biggles]

It's very likely that the NAZI's copied their salute from our salute for the pledge of allegiance.

Ken V.

Whether that's true or not, I guess they got the last laugh when our idiot Congress modeled the Gun Control Act of 1968 after the Nazi anti-gun laws. An unarmed "citizen" is a subject. :D

[The Mad American]

Whether that's true or not, I guess they got the last laugh when our idiot Congress modeled the Gun Control Act of 1968 after the Nazi anti-gun laws. An unarmed "citizen" is a subject. :D

Actually the Nazi salute was lifted from the Romans as most of their symbols and what not where....