the keep

[iambear]

I just finished the book and I have now just finished watching the movie ...
The first thing that comes to my mind is that so much of the book was lost....
almost too much.I think that if I didnt read the book first, I would have hated this movie.but then again, that little fact could also be the reason I dont care for it. most movies are never as good as the book, and that was one hell of a good book :D It is not the worst movie I have ever seen, but I am just too dissapointed in it to give it any praise :(
not quite the horrific car accident that I thought it would be..... more like a fender-bender... take a quick look and be on your way LOL
am I wrong ??? what do you think ????

[jimbow8]

I've said before (and I think I am the only one) that I kinda like the movie. I like the atmosphere and I like Jurgen Prochnow and Gabriel Byrne. Ian McKellan....enough said! Do I think it is a great movie? No, but is far from the worst movie (or even the bottom 100) that I have ever seen. Is it exactly like the book? No, but what movie is? The Lord of the Rings movie trilogy left out countless critical points from the books, yet those are still great movies. No, I am not comparing the Keep (movie) to LOTR (movie), just making an analogy. A book is a book; a movie is a movie. It is for this reason (as I stated in a separate post) that I am not sure that Black Wind would translate well to film.

[iambear]

then what would be the worst movie you have seen ????

[jimbow8]

I have what I like to call my Triumvirate of Worst Movies. These have been considered worst for so long that I don't think the Triumvirate could change (even if I possibly see a worse movie). They are: The River's Edge; The Cook, The Thief, His Wife, and Her Lover; and Drop Dead Fred.

[Biggles]

I have what I like to call my Triumvirate of Worst Movies. These have been considered worst for so long that I don't think the Triumvirate could change (even if I possibly see a worse movie). They are: The River's Edge; The Cook, The Thief, His Wife, and Her Lover; and Drop Dead Fred.


I have never seen any of those, so I guess I'm lucky!

I have a lot of favorite movies (favourite for you Brits and Canucks out there), but I hesitate to try to rank them:

"Monty Python and the Holy Grail" (perhaps the greatest movie of all time, literally bitch-slapping pretenders like "Citizen Kane" and "Birth of a Nation". Phtew! I fart in your general direction.)

"Casablanca" (not only a great movie, but combine this with a good bottle of red wine and...."He shoots, he scores!")

"The Maltese Falcon" (Bogey, Lorre, Greenstreet, Elisha Cook---what else could you possibly need?)

"Spartacus" (maybe Kirk Douglas' greatest movie, but certainly his most inspirational)

"Tora, Tora, Tora" (the best theatrical rendition of Pearl Harbor ever, which unlike "Midway", at least had the Japanese speaking their native tongue)

"Battle of Britain" (saw it first run in '69. All-star cast, Spanish Air Force ME-109s and HE-111s, accurate depiction of events. One of the greatest air war movies ever).

"All Quiet on the Western Front" (The original. Still amazing more than 70 years later. I read "Im Westen nichts neues" (auf Deutsch) back in high school for my German 3 class. The movie is true to the spirit of the book and times in which it was written. Great anti-war film against a war that never should have been fought.)

"The Lighthorsemen" (hard to find, but wonderful movie about the last cavalry charge of WWI, by a regiment of ANZAC mounted infrantry against Turkish fortifications at Beersheba, Palestine. AWE-freakin'-SOME)

"Nosferatu" (Again, the original, with Max Schreck.)

More thoughts later, but what do "yinz" think?

[Peter]

I most definitely agree that The Holy Grail is an utter, absolute, to the Nth degree CLASSIC! Apart from anything else there are just so many quotable lines in it. I only have to say friends in the pub "And after the spanking?" and I can guarantee falling about laughter. Mind you, we get some funny looks, and if you want to know what the next line is, watch the film!

[Biggles]

I most definitely agree that The Holy Grail is an utter, absolute, to the Nth degree CLASSIC! Apart from anything else there are just so many quotable lines in it. I only have to say friends in the pub "And after the spanking?" and I can guarantee falling about laughter. Mind you, we get some funny looks, and if you want to know what the next line is, watch the film!

"Naughty, Naughty Newt!"

[Biggles]

I most definitely agree that The Holy Grail is an utter, absolute, to the Nth degree CLASSIC! Apart from anything else there are just so many quotable lines in it. I only have to say friends in the pub "And after the spanking?" and I can guarantee falling about laughter. Mind you, we get some funny looks, and if you want to know what the next line is, watch the film!

Do you remember "Doctor in the House"? We saw it here in the States on PBS. DAMN would I give my left (censored by department of testicular references) for a DVD of those episodes. FPW would have laughed his @$$ off too. Remember that show Effy?

[Bluesman Mike Lindner]

Biggles, for some reason, I just can't find how to post new threads. I'm sure I'm overlooking something very simple, very basic,something I've done before, but I just can't find it. My mind has been shakey since last week, when I was slammed against a wall after tackling a runaway elephant that was charging a school bus which, ah, the driver had a savage migraine headache, which would not have been so bad, except, well, he was high on angel dust, which he got from, ah, James Brown in exchange for... Well, it's a long story, but I'm sure you get the drift. Please, clue me in--what am I doing wrong here?

[thisisatest]

I have what I like to call my Triumvirate of Worst Movies. These have been considered worst for so long that I don't think the Triumvirate could change (even if I possibly see a worse movie). They are: The River's Edge; The Cook, The Thief, His Wife, and Her Lover; and Drop Dead Fred.

Steve D
The Cook, The Thief, His Wife, and Her Lover is one of the best movies around. Great cast, great story, great ending, great soundtrack. And how you could put Drop Dead Fred (a truly bad movie) next to CTWL makes me plotz. May Helen Mirren spank you but good!

And my vote for worse movie: Picking Up the Pieces. After Like Water for Chocolate and A Walk in the Clouds, I don't know how Director/Writer/Actor Alfonso Arau could make this laughless comedy (although Woody Allen has a few good lines). I recommend this bad movie for viewing just so you can see how a bad movie can be made by a great director. And please everyone, watch CTWL and let me know if you think it's a bad movie. My bad...I mean, good taste has been called into question.

[jimbow8]

Biggles, for some reason, I just can't find how to post new threads. I'm sure I'm overlooking something very simple, very basic,something I've done before, but I just can't find it. My mind has been shakey since last week, when I was slammed against a wall after tackling a runaway elephant that was charging a school bus which, ah, the driver had a savage migraine headache, which would not have been so bad, except, well, he was high on angel dust, which he got from, ah, James Brown in exchange for... Well, it's a long story, but I'm sure you get the drift. Please, clue me in--what am I doing wrong here?
Just go to the Forum that you want to post a new thread to (TV and Film Discussion, Political Discussion, etc) and look for the New Thread button at the top and bottom of the page. It looks like this:

http://www.repairmanjack.com/forum/images/buttons/newthread.gif

Can you see it here http://www.repairmanjack.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=9 ?

[Biggles]

Biggles, for some reason, I just can't find how to post new threads. I'm sure I'm overlooking something very simple, very basic,something I've done before, but I just can't find it. My mind has been shakey since last week, when I was slammed against a wall after tackling a runaway elephant that was charging a school bus which, ah, the driver had a savage migraine headache, which would not have been so bad, except, well, he was high on angel dust, which he got from, ah, James Brown in exchange for... Well, it's a long story, but I'm sure you get the drift. Please, clue me in--what am I doing wrong here?

The fact that you are asking me for advice about posting is evidence enough of your condition. I only know enough about such matters to be dangerous. Now, would you like me to help re-wire your house or fix your plumbing while I'm at it?

[Bluesman Mike Lindner]

[Awright, Biggles, here's me own top 10:

CITY LIGHTS--Albert Einstein and his wife were Chaplin's guests at the premiere. Einstein wept at the closing scene. As does everyone with a heart.


2001: A SPACE ODYSSEY--The greatest sf movie ever made...and there have been =a lot= of great ones.

CASABLANCA--Don't you wish you were as cool as Rick Blaine? Honest, now.

THE MAN WHO SHOT LIBERTY VALANCE--More proof critics are useless. A John Ford masterpiece.

ROCKY--If only Stallone had followed through on the promise he showed here.

THE BLUE ANGEL--Keep yer splatter flicks--=this= is horror.

OH!-WHAT A LOVELY WAR--World War One as a musical comedy, with an all-star British cast. Forgotten, and I do not understand why. Not available on DVD, and I do not understand why.

ALIENS 2--I've seen this flick as often as I've seen the Kinks in concert, over 10 times. And like Ray Davies and his men, it never disappoints. If you don't feel righteous delight when Ripley uses the power-loader to protect little Newt from the alien queen...well, I see little hope for you.

THE 39 STEPS--Hitchcock at his finest. He made splashier films, but never a better one.

WHITE HEAT--Great cast, great script, great everything.

"Wait--that's ten already? But what about..." (The bluesman struggles as burly attendants drag him away.)

[Bluesman Mike Lindner]

Just go to the Forum that you want to post a new thread to (TV and Film Discussion, Political Discussion, etc) and look for the New Thread button at the top and bottom of the page. It looks like this:

http://www.repairmanjack.com/forum/images/buttons/newthread.gif

Can you see it here http://www.repairmanjack.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=9 ?

Thank you, Jimbow. I feel much better now...I think.

[Bluesman Mike Lindner]

The fact that you are asking me for advice about posting is evidence enough of your condition. I only know enough about such matters to be dangerous. Now, would you like me to help re-wire your house or fix your plumbing while I'm at it?

Well, now that you mention it, my bathroom sink...

[Biggles]

Well, now that you mention it, my bathroom sink...

Hell, yeah, I'll fix it! And I'll do your frontal lobotomy, as long as I have a bottle in front o' me! But seriously, do you think I would have gone to law school if I had any marketable skills?

[Peter]

Another Kinks fan! And I have only seen them live twice. Ray Davies (All right, a personal opinion) is the best songwriter who ever lived. Someone (I forget who, but it was someone famous...) said that while he was writing love songs Ray was writing 3 1/2 minute plays, and that is about it.

Oh, and as for "naughty, naughty Newt" just I was starting to think we all had nothing in common, well!

Mind you, for the unitiated the Newt I refer to is NOT the one that Sigourney Weaver was protecting from the alien queen, if I felt the same way about her as I do about MY Newt I should deserve to be locked up.

Speaking of Sigourney Weaver, anyone remember Ghost Busters, when Sigourney is writhing about on the bed, being possesed and says "Do you wnat this body?" and Bill Murray just looks and says "Er, is that a trick question?", classic line, truly a classic line.

[Peter]

Oh (Yeah me again) while I think of it, someone mentioned The Blue Angel as best horror film. Well, yes it is truly scary but the only film that has ever really had a horrific impression on me is the original black and white The Haunting. Anyone seen it? If not do try. Forget your splatter flicks, few SFX and no gore at all, but the scene when the two women (Claire Bloom and ?) have been holding hands cos they are so scared and then realise how far apart their beds are, now THAT made an impression on me!

[Scott Miller]

Another Kinks fan! And I have only seen them live twice. Ray Davies (All right, a personal opinion) is the best songwriter who ever lived. Someone (I forget who, but it was someone famous...) said that while he was writing love songs Ray was writing 3 1/2 minute plays, and that is about it..

Count me in. I dig the Kinks, in fact I have been jamming to them for the past week or so in my car. The forgotten child of the British Invasion.

Scott

[Terry Willacker]

Oh (Yeah me again) while I think of it, someone mentioned The Blue Angel as best horror film. Well, yes it is truly scary but the only film that has ever really had a horrific impression on me is the original black and white The Haunting. Anyone seen it? If not do try. Forget your splatter flicks, few SFX and no gore at all, but the scene when the two women (Claire Bloom and ?) have been holding hands cos they are so scared and then realise how far apart their beds are, now THAT made an impression on me!

We saw that movie 30 years ago and my wife still can't go to sleep with her hand outside of the bed.

OK Top 10 Movies - can't decide - here are 10 of my top 50.

Casablanca
Singin in the Rain
For Me and My Gal
Maltese Falcon
Wizard of OZ
The Clock
Seven Brides for Seven Brothers
How the West Was Won
Chicago

Here are 10 more:

To Kill a Mockingbird
The Others
The Thirteenth Floor
Star Trek IV - the Voyage Home
The Family Man
Braveheart
A Christmas Carol (1951 - Alastair Sim)
A Christmas Carol (1938 - The Lockhart family)
Planes, Trains and Automobiles
Groundhog Day

This is fun, but I'll stop now.

[Tim Hatch]

Oh (Yeah me again) while I think of it, someone mentioned The Blue Angel as best horror film. Well, yes it is truly scary but the only film that has ever really had a horrific impression on me is the original black and white The Haunting. Anyone seen it? If not do try. Forget your splatter flicks, few SFX and no gore at all, but the scene when the two women (Claire Bloom and ?) have been holding hands cos they are so scared and then realise how far apart their beds are, now THAT made an impression on me!


But have you seen THE SHINING in 30 seconds re-enacted by bunnies?

Check it out:

http://www.angryalien.com/0504/shiningbunnies.html

Tim

[jimbow8]

But have you seen THE SHINING in 30 seconds re-enacted by bunnies?

Check it out:

http://www.angryalien.com/0504/shiningbunnies.html

Tim
Yes, I have. Someone posted it on my other board. I will reply the same here

That may be more exposition of the plot than was actually in the original Kubrick movie.

[iambear]

But have you seen THE SHINING in 30 seconds re-enacted by bunnies?

Check it out:

http://www.angryalien.com/0504/shiningbunnies.html

Tim


man that was funny. not as scarry as the original

[iambear]

to me the best and the worst are
the best- The crow
the worst- spice world ( my niece made me watch it, I swear )

[Bluesman Mike Lindner]

Hell, yeah, I'll fix it! And I'll do your frontal lobotomy, as long as I have a bottle in front o' me! But seriously, do you think I would have gone to law school if I had any marketable skills?

Hell, Biggles, I've washed dishes in my time... Never too late for a lawyer to learn an honest trade. :p

[Bluesman Mike Lindner]

As an antique hombre and broken-down bluesman, I gotta say that Ray Davies is among the greatest songwriters who ever sat down with a guitar and pen. SHANGRI-LA... WATERLOO SUNSET... RAINY DAY IN JUNE... BETTER THINGS... DESTROYER... THIS TIME TOMORROW... CELLULOID HEROES... YOU REALLY GOT ME... SUNNY AFTERNOON... GOD'S CHILDREN... BIG SKY... (OK, OK, I'll stop. And Dave Davies is no slouch himself!)

[Bluesman Mike Lindner]

Bluesman Mike here--I didn't mean THE BLUE ANGEL was the =best= horror film ever made (I'd go with THE EXORCIST on that question)--just that the slow destruction of Professor Unrat's personality leaves (most) physical horror in the dust.

[jimbow8]

Bluesman Mike here--I didn't mean THE BLUE ANGEL was the =best= horror film ever made (I'd go with THE EXORCIST on that question)--just that the slow destruction of Professor Unrat's personality leaves (most) physical horror in the dust.
I would agree except I think the Exorcist transcends the traditional classification of horror movies.

[Biggles]

Hell, Biggles, I've washed dishes in my time... Never too late for a lawyer to learn an honest trade. :p

My second choice was scout sniper, but I'm too old for that now.

[iambear]

i was looking around on ebay and I found a copy of the keep on DVD ....
I had no idea it was on DVD. Are there any other movies of FPW'S on DVD ?

[Ken Valentine]

i was looking around on ebay and I found a copy of the keep on DVD ....
I had no idea it was on DVD. Are there any other movies of FPW'S on DVD ?

So far, that's the only book of FPW's that has been made into a movie. Repairman Jack will be number two -- if it ever gets done.

Ken V.

[Dave]

So far, that's the only book of FPW's that has been made into a movie. Repairman Jack will be number two -- if it ever gets done.

Ken V.

You're forgetting Midnight Mass. Oh, you meant to forget Midnight Mass, sorry, my bad. :)

Dave

[Peter]

OK... Now we seem to have established that Ray Davies is the best songwriter to have lived (Thank you Bluesman for your support!) lets see how badly I can get shot down with MY best films.

The Good, The Bad and The Ugly Plot poor, acting OK, sets good but just so well made, to me it works on any level.

The Haunting Original black and white, as I said before it just scared me when I first saw it , not now of course cos I am all ruffy tuffy and grown up (did that fool anyone?)

Conan the Barbarian I just KNOW you are all going to hate me for that one but, again, it is well made, the story is great and OK you have a somewhat wooden star, but he is playing a wooden character and, damn, he looks the part, you want Anthony Hopkins as Conan? I think not...

The Silence of the Lambs Now here Anthony Hopkins and Jodie Foster are beyond compare, I cannot imagine better casting and as for making a serial cannibal seem a sympathetic character, that's got to be clever!

The Rocky Horror Picture Show Only musical I have ever liked (and I love this one!) What can I say? It appeals or it doesn't.

Monty Python and the Holy Grail We have covered this pretty well (except I have just remembered it is ZOOT not NEWT, mantal abberation there!) If you like to laugh, watch it!

Airplane Same as above (but without Zoot), so damn funny and even now I watch it and see something I missed before.

Aliens 2 This time with Newt, the most action packed, tense film ever

Die Hard (1) The second most action packed, tense film ever

And, finally, number 10....

Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory Just SO feel good!

There now, is that an eclectic selection or what?

(Oh God, just let someone agree, I just know I am going to crash and burn)

[jimbow8]

OK... Now we seem to have established that Ray Davies is the best songwriter to have lived (Thank you Bluesman for your support!) lets see how badly I can get shot down with MY best films.

The Good, The Bad and The Ugly Plot poor, acting OK, sets good but just so well made, to me it works on any level.

The Haunting Original black and white, as I said before it just scared me when I first saw it , not now of course cos I am all ruffy tuffy and grown up (did that fool anyone?)

Conan the Barbarian I just KNOW you are all going to hate me for that one but, again, it is well made, the story is great and OK you have a somewhat wooden star, but he is playing a wooden character and, damn, he looks the part, you want Anthony Hopkins as Conan? I think not...

The Silence of the Lambs Now here Anthony Hopkins and Jodie Foster are beyond compare, I cannot imagine better casting and as for making a serial cannibal seem a sympathetic character, that's got to be clever!

The Rocky Horror Picture Show Only musical I have ever liked (and I love this one!) What can I say? It appeals or it doesn't.

Monty Python and the Holy Grail We have covered this pretty well (except I have just remembered it is ZOOT not NEWT, mantal abberation there!) If you like to laugh, watch it!

Airplane Same as above (but without Zoot), so damn funny and even now I watch it and see something I missed before.

Aliens 2 This time with Newt, the most action packed, tense film ever

Die Hard (1) The second most action packed, tense film ever

And, finally, number 10....

Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory Just SO feel good!

There now, is that an eclectic selection or what?

(Oh God, just let someone agree, I just know I am going to crash and burn)
I love the Good, the Bad, and the Ugly.

I have never seen the original Haunting but I know the remake sucks.

I like Conan, not great but good.

I think Silence of the Lambs is one of the most overrated movies ever and surpassed only by Gladiator as the least deserving of Best Picture in recent years.

Rocky Horror Picture Show is loads of fun! Have you seen Little Shop of Horrors (the musical version)?

Monty Python and the Holy Grail - Best Comedy EVER!

Airplane - top 10 of best comedies ever.

I never really cared for Aliens (Alien 2). Certainly not the best action movie ever because....

Die Hard is the best action movie ever!!! Smartest villain in (recent) film history. Hans Grubers plan worked to perfection except for the "fly in the ointment, the monkey in the wrench."

Willy Wonka......meh....Good movie but nowhere near one of my favorites. Did you know they are remaking it with Johnny Depp?

[Peter]

Thanks Jimbow, a few minor disagreements but I felt sure I was going to get flamed good (especially for Conan!)
Johny Depp as Willy Wonka? I would have said no till I saw Pirates of the Caribean, but now I can see it working well.
Yes, Little Shop of Horrors SO nearly made it in my list, but generally I don't like musicals so to put 2 in offended my sensibilties!

[Lisa]

Peter, Willy Wonka, Aliens, Airplane, and The Haunting are also on my favorites list. Have you seen The Changeling? Another great spooky movie in the same vein. I love Conan the Barbarian too. Do you have the DVD? It has a funny commentary with The Arnold and John Milius.

Lisa

[Ken Valentine]

You're forgetting Midnight Mass. Oh, you meant to forget Midnight Mass, sorry, my bad. :)

Dave

No, you're right, I DID forget.

Ken V.

[Ken Valentine]

I love the Good, the Bad, and the Ugly.

I didn't like it at all. On the other hand, I thought Fistfull Of Dollars was very good. I didn't like For A Few Dollars More either. Ennio Moricone's musical score was excellent.

Monty Python and the Holy Grail - Best Comedy EVER!

Airplane - top 10 of best comedies ever.

I saw "Holy Grail" so long ago I don't remember much about it -- it was good though.

Airplane was a very good movie. My taste in humor tends to lean toward plays on words and double entendre. And Airplane was full of it ... THEM ... THEM ... full of THEM! Sorry 'bout that. :D


Die Hard is the best action movie ever!!! Smartest villain in (recent) film history. Hans Grubers plan worked to perfection except for the "fly in the ointment, the monkey in the wrench."

I saw Die Hard after you recommended it, and yes, it ... was ... GOOD! Didn't care much for the second Die Hard movie. Although I've heard that the last one was very good, I haven't found it yet.

Ken V.

[Bastard]

I have never seen any of those, so I guess I'm lucky!

I have a lot of favorite movies (favourite for you Brits and Canucks out there), but I hesitate to try to rank them:

"Monty Python and the Holy Grail" (perhaps the greatest movie of all time, literally bitch-slapping pretenders like "Citizen Kane" and "Birth of a Nation". Phtew! I fart in your general direction.)

"Casablanca" (not only a great movie, but combine this with a good bottle of red wine and...."He shoots, he scores!")

"The Maltese Falcon" (Bogey, Lorre, Greenstreet, Elisha Cook---what else could you possibly need?)

"Spartacus" (maybe Kirk Douglas' greatest movie, but certainly his most inspirational)

"Tora, Tora, Tora" (the best theatrical rendition of Pearl Harbor ever, which unlike "Midway", at least had the Japanese speaking their native tongue)

"Battle of Britain" (saw it first run in '69. All-star cast, Spanish Air Force ME-109s and HE-111s, accurate depiction of events. One of the greatest air war movies ever).

"All Quiet on the Western Front" (The original. Still amazing more than 70 years later. I read "Im Westen nichts neues" (auf Deutsch) back in high school for my German 3 class. The movie is true to the spirit of the book and times in which it was written. Great anti-war film against a war that never should have been fought.)

"The Lighthorsemen" (hard to find, but wonderful movie about the last cavalry charge of WWI, by a regiment of ANZAC mounted infrantry against Turkish fortifications at Beersheba, Palestine. AWE-freakin'-SOME)

"Nosferatu" (Again, the original, with Max Schreck.)

More thoughts later, but what do "yinz" think?


These are my faves and most hated, but I wouldn't dare say the best and worst (you'll see why). Well, top 10 here we go:
"The Evil Dead" (entire trilogy and subsequent games "Hail to the King" and "Fistful of Boomstick")
"Nosferatu" (Original Murnau flick--natch)
"Seven Samurai" (God, I love Kurosawa flicks)
"The Crow" (decent enough adaptation of the graphic novel)
"Casablanca"
"The Passion of the Christ" (say what you will about it, it genuinely moved me)
"Big Jake"(I like all of The Duke's movies, but this one is my fave)
"Yojimbo" (and the subsequent remakes "Fistful of Dollars" and "Last Man Standing")
"Cowboy BeBop: The Movie" (hey, I loved the series...)
"Goodbye Lenin!"

and the bottom ten (most hated):
"The Hunted" with Chris Lambert (although the Toshiro Mifune swordfight on the bullet train is a treat)
"Star Wars" <--the new ones only. I love the old ones. (although I did get a kick out of watching Yoda get his Kung Fu on)
"Highlander 2 the Sickening...er Quickening"
The latest "Halloween"
Anything with Pauly Shore
"Salem's Lot" (Loved the book, hated the movie)
"Bram Stoker's Dracula"
"The Living End" (good try, loved the soundtrack, HATED the movie)
"Frost; Portrait of the Vampire" (the hero was an elite commando built like Kevin Smith)
"US Seals 1&2"

sorry for the myriad others that I left out of both lists, but I wanted to keep them to 10 each...

[Scott Miller]

I was asking Peter, but anyone with the knowledge is welcome to answer.

Alright, I admit it; I am lyrically challenged. I can't hear lyrics for shit. In fact, there is not a single ounce of musical ability residing within me. I am Navin R. Johnson, only more severly afflicted. Years of therapy have allowed me to learn to live with my illness.

It is obvious you are a Kinks fan of some repute, so I ask you to fill in some blanks for me if you would be so kind.

"The Village Green Preservation Society" is one of my favorite Kinks tunes, but many of the lyrics remain a mystery to me.

We are the draught beer preservation society. God save Mrs. Marks? and good _________________.

We are the custard pie appreciation consortium. God save George Cross and all those who ___________________________.

We are the Sherlock Holmes English speaking vernacular. Help save Fu Manchu, Moriarty, and Dracula. (I think)

We are the office block persecution affinity. God save little shops, china cups and virginity. (I think)

We are the skyscraper condemnation affiliates. God save _____________, antique tables, and ____________.

Thanks in advance.

Scott

[Noelie]

God save Mrs. Mopp and good old Mother Riley.

God save the George Cross and all those who were awarded them.

God save Fu Manchu, Moriarty and Dracula.

Little shops, china cups and virginity is right. :)

God save Tudor houses, antique tables and billiards.

And just for grins, the George Cross "was instituted in September 1940 to recognise civilian heroism at the height of the Blitz. King George VI created the award for the men and women of the Commonwealth whose courage could not be marked by any other honour. The simple silver cross, bearing an image of St George slaying the dragon and the words "FOR GALLANTRY", was designed by Percy Metcalfe and is struck at the Royal Mint." (www.gc-database.co.uk)

I now return you to your regularly scheduled discussion.

[jpwynn]

I have never seen any of those, so I guess I'm lucky!

I have a lot of favorite movies (favourite for you Brits and Canucks out there), but I hesitate to try to rank them:

"Monty Python and the Holy Grail" (perhaps the greatest movie of all time, literally bitch-slapping pretenders like "Citizen Kane" and "Birth of a Nation". Phtew! I fart in your general direction.)

"Casablanca" (not only a great movie, but combine this with a good bottle of red wine and...."He shoots, he scores!")

"The Maltese Falcon" (Bogey, Lorre, Greenstreet, Elisha Cook---what else could you possibly need?)

"Spartacus" (maybe Kirk Douglas' greatest movie, but certainly his most inspirational)

"Tora, Tora, Tora" (the best theatrical rendition of Pearl Harbor ever, which unlike "Midway", at least had the Japanese speaking their native tongue)

"Battle of Britain" (saw it first run in '69. All-star cast, Spanish Air Force ME-109s and HE-111s, accurate depiction of events. One of the greatest air war movies ever).

"All Quiet on the Western Front" (The original. Still amazing more than 70 years later. I read "Im Westen nichts neues" (auf Deutsch) back in high school for my German 3 class. The movie is true to the spirit of the book and times in which it was written. Great anti-war film against a war that never should have been fought.)

"The Lighthorsemen" (hard to find, but wonderful movie about the last cavalry charge of WWI, by a regiment of ANZAC mounted infrantry against Turkish fortifications at Beersheba, Palestine. AWE-freakin'-SOME)

"Nosferatu" (Again, the original, with Max Schreck.)

More thoughts later, but what do "yinz" think?

I have been watching the AFI Top 100 Films lately (actually I started a long time ago, but some are really hard to track down). But I actually watched Birth of a Nation. I can't BELIEVE I sat through all 4 hours of that crap! What the hell is it doing on that list?

I know that there have been some great innovators of film. Some films have "elements" that have never been done before. But does that really qualify it for standing the test of time?

Citizen Kane, for example, did a lot for cinema, is it still a good film? But I can accept Citizen Kane (if I must). But Birth of a Nation? What did THAT ever do for cinema!? I was honest-to-God less unhappy when I was getting a root canal! Seriously!

[Scott Miller]

Thanks, now the odds are in my favor that I'll be mumbling the right words as I warble off-key.

Scott

God save Mrs. Mopp and good old Mother Riley.

God save the George Cross and all those who were awarded them.

God save Fu Manchu, Moriarty and Dracula.

Little shops, china cups and virginity is right. :)

God save Tudor houses, antique tables and billiards.

And just for grins, the George Cross "was instituted in September 1940 to recognise civilian heroism at the height of the Blitz. King George VI created the award for the men and women of the Commonwealth whose courage could not be marked by any other honour. The simple silver cross, bearing an image of St George slaying the dragon and the words "FOR GALLANTRY", was designed by Percy Metcalfe and is struck at the Royal Mint." (www.gc-database.co.uk)

I now return you to your regularly scheduled discussion.

[Bluesman Mike Lindner]

And when I feel
Like the world's too much for me...
I think of the Big Sky
And nothing matters much to me...

[Peter]

Sorry, I don't log on as foten as I should.

Scott, I see you got the words you wanted, great song though aint it?

Lisa, thank you for your support, no I hevn't seen the Changeling but I will watch out for it DVD or whatever.

[nonsun blob a]

I heard that that was one of the worst movies ever. Not the worst horror movie, or the worst movie based on a book, the worst movie ever, in general. I haven't seen it yet though.

[Jayrox]

I first saw this movie with my Uncle and Brother. It became a family classic. We are big fans of Tangerine Dream, Jurgen Prochnow, Gabriel Byrne, Ian McKellen and Michael Mann. The movie has a whole dark feel to it. At least that was correct and in-line with the book. I never even realized there was a book of the movie (or rather a series) until about 4 years ago when the Keep was released in paperback again.

I have since devoured the Adversary Cycle and await each Repairman Jack. I even managed to snag a first print copy of The Keep in hardcover (not the Borderlands Press copy either).

Anyway, I thought the movie was good. Maybe not great but there is lots that I do like about it. The scene where there is the huge pan down to the interior of the crypt is stunning. I cannot believe that this movie hasn't made it to DVD. I understand that there is some huge dispute over rights and it is the only Michael Mann movie that hasn't been released on DVD. This has also held Tangerine Dream from releasing their music for the film. Bootlegs can be had but it's tough and expensive.

I have had to rent the VHS version several times to get my 'fix'. Maybe I'll have to dub it one of these times. I just cannot make myself buy a copy on VHS. This was a particularly interesting role for Ian McKellen. It was neat to see him years later in X-Men, Apt Pupil, Gods & Monsters and Lord of the Rings and say to myself, "hey, where have I seen that guy before? Oh yeah!!"

I understand that the Production Company got heavily involved near the end and made a bunch of changes to the film that has made it unpopular with fans of the book. I have read that if and when it gets released on DVD, that Michael Mann has plans on restoring some of the chopped footage and hopefully make the movie more palatable. There is always an element of what is lost in translation from book to film.

One last note, I did send a letter to Paramount begging them to resolve this and get the movie out. Maybe one day they will...


I just finished the book and I have now just finished watching the movie ...
The first thing that comes to my mind is that so much of the book was lost....
almost too much.I think that if I didnt read the book first, I would have hated this movie.but then again, that little fact could also be the reason I dont care for it. most movies are never as good as the book, and that was one hell of a good book :D It is not the worst movie I have ever seen, but I am just too dissapointed in it to give it any praise :(
not quite the horrific car accident that I thought it would be..... more like a fender-bender... take a quick look and be on your way LOL
am I wrong ??? what do you think ????

[jimbow8]

I first saw this movie with my Uncle and Brother. It became a family classic. We are big fans of Tangerine Dream, Jurgen Prochnow, Gabriel Byrne, Ian McKellen and Michael Mann. The movie has a whole dark feel to it. At least that was correct and in-line with the book. I never even realized there was a book of the movie (or rather a series) until about 4 years ago when the Keep was released in paperback again.

I have since devoured the Adversary Cycle and await each Repairman Jack. I even managed to snag a first print copy of The Keep in hardcover (not the Borderlands Press copy either).

Anyway, I thought the movie was good. Maybe not great but there is lots that I do like about it. The scene where there is the huge pan down to the interior of the crypt is stunning. I cannot believe that this movie hasn't made it to DVD. I understand that there is some huge dispute over rights and it is the only Michael Mann movie that hasn't been released on DVD. This has also held Tangerine Dream from releasing their music for the film. Bootlegs can be had but it's tough and expensive.

I have had to rent the VHS version several times to get my 'fix'. Maybe I'll have to dub it one of these times. I just cannot make myself buy a copy on VHS. This was a particularly interesting role for Ian McKellen. It was neat to see him years later in X-Men, Apt Pupil, Gods & Monsters and Lord of the Rings and say to myself, "hey, where have I seen that guy before? Oh yeah!!"

I understand that the Production Company got heavily involved near the end and made a bunch of changes to the film that has made it unpopular with fans of the book. I have read that if and when it gets released on DVD, that Michael Mann has plans on restoring some of the chopped footage and hopefully make the movie more palatable. There is always an element of what is lost in translation from book to film.

One last note, I did send a letter to Paramount begging them to resolve this and get the movie out. Maybe one day they will...
I like the movie, too. It is not the greatest movie ever, but it is FAR, FAR, FAR from the worst. Just the cast is enough to make it worth watching. Jurgen Prochnow is the man! It misses many points of the book. Yeah, most movies adapted from books do. It goes with the territory. It is such an overused excuse for not liking a movie that I usually disregard it. The Return of the King movie omitted many parts of the book and yet it is universally loved and won an OSCAR for Best Picture (11 Oscars total, a sweep). Basically, I think the movie takes an undeserved beating, especially from people on this site - Even from FPW. Though he has a much different perspective on his own work than even the biggest fans on this site do, so I won't begrudge him his opinion.

[Sam]

Finally saw this film today!! I couldn't find it in any video stores around here and was lucky to catch it today on Starz. Have to agree with jimbow, I've seen much worse. I didn't know who was in the cast and was very surprised. I didn't see the vampire connection that I'd heard about. Where did that come from anyway???

[Noelie]

I didn't see the vampire connection that I'd heard about. Where did that come from anyway???

Hmm. Have you read the book?

I'm one of those that hated the movie. And it wasn't because I read the book first, blah blah. I saw the movie and hated it. I didn't read the book for a really long time, mostly cause I disliked the movie so much. It was a shame too, cause I really like Jurgen Prochnow, Gabriel Byrne and Ian McKellan.

[Biggles]

Hmm. Have you read the book?

I'm one of those that hated the movie. And it wasn't because I read the book first, blah blah. I saw the movie and hated it. I didn't read the book for a really long time, mostly cause I disliked the movie so much. It was a shame too, cause I really like Jurgen Prochnow, Gabriel Byrne and Ian McKellan.

And don't forget Scott Glenn. With some decent directing (ahem) and that cast, "it coulda been a contendah".

[Noelie]

And don't forget Scott Glenn

I didn't forget him, I left him off my list on purpose because I don't like him. I like the others, but I don't like him. ;)

[Scott Miller]

I didn't forget him, I left him off my list on purpose because I don't like him. I like the others, but I don't like him. ;)

I can't remember him looking young in any movie, but I don't think he is all that old.


Scott

[Kenji]

I don't remember this movie...... :(
But novel are good! ;)