Rock and Roll Hall of Fame

[jimbow8]

Last night I watched the the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame show that was on VH1 the other night. I wouldn't normally watch it (and don't currently have cable), but a friend of mine insisted. For any big rock and roll fans I have to recommend watching it if (when) VH1 rebroadcasts it. The induction speech by Bruce Springsteen for Jackson Browne is incredible. Humorous, nostalgic, gracious, etc. And Jackson Browne's acceptance speech is pretty darn good too. I was even impressed by Prince, who I am normally not a big fan of. Other bright spots: Tom Petty/Jeff Lynne inducting and tribute of George Harrison (for solo work), ZZ Top (inducted by a "feelin'-good" Keith Richards). Low points: Alicia Keyes induction speech for Prince, Dave Matthews' incoherent rambling, Bob Seger's not-so-good performance.

Anyway, check it out, at least for the Springsteen/Browne part.

(Interesting fact: George Harrison (My favorite Beatle by far) was the first ex-Beatle to have a #1 album)

[fpw]

(Interesting fact: George Harrison (My favorite Beatle by far) was the first ex-Beatle to have a #1 album)

Did you see Concert for George? Except for a lackluster preformance by Tom Petty (on "Taxman," of all things - my favorite Harrison song), it was superb. And the finale, an ensemble rendition of "While My Guitar Gently Weeps" with Clapton, McCartney, Starr, etc., was amazing. It's on disk. Check it out.

[Bluesman Mike Lindner]

That's right, Jimbow!--ALL THINGS MUST PASS. A good album that would have been a =great= album if pared down to 1 LP (remember those?) (And can the boring jams sides, George--I'll be yer friend if you do.) Let's see...what was the 2nd ex-Beatle album to hit #1? IMAGINE? As I recall, MCCARTNEY was held from the top spot by LET IT BE. I don't think RAM made #1, although the single "Uncle Albert/Admiral Halsey" did on some charts.
Another piece of Beatles trivia--George is credited with the first Fabs' solo album with ELECTRONIC SOUND. But I'd have to give honors to Macca for the THE FAMILY WAY soundtrack. Hey, who sez rock and roll guys can't be pedantic? I mean, like, =who=?
Me, I'm a Lennon man, meself.

[jimbow8]

Actually, I'm not much of a Beatles fan. But I do like George (I like most of their solo stuff more). Give me Led Zeppelin and the Rolling Stones over the Beatles any day.

[Bluesman Mike Lindner]

Jimbo, I'll say this--Pete Townshend was a better songwriter, in his prime, than either Jagger/Richards or Plant/Page. No? Well, sir...I'll meet you in Monument Valley at dawn. Weapons? A guitar and a pen. Bring your drummer...if you have one in your band who can stand up for you, sir. :D

[fpw]

Pete Townshend was a better songwriter, in his prime, than either Jagger/Richards or Plant/Page.

No argument from this quarter. The sly wink of the stutter in "My Generation" and the most down-and-dirty, eyes-wide-open political song ever: "Won't Get Fooled Again."

[jimbow8]

Jimbo, I'll say this--Pete Townshend was a better songwriter, in his prime, than either Jagger/Richards or Plant/Page. No? Well, sir...I'll meet you in Monument Valley at dawn. Weapons? A guitar and a pen. Bring your drummer...if you have one in your band who can stand up for you, sir. :D
I won't argue you on that point, but Led Zeppelin had better musicians than anyone in the Who. Don't get me wrong, I like the Who, but Keith Moon often couldn't keep time all the way through a song.

[Bluesman Mike Lindner]

No argument from this quarter. The sly wink of the stutter in "My Generation" and the most down-and-dirty, eyes-wide-open political song ever: "Won't Get Fooled Again."
I hope no fan of the mod foursome will think ill of me if I confide that I like much of Pete's solo work--"Slit Skirts," "Pavardigar," "And All Shall Be Well," "Now and Then," among many others--quite as much as I appreciate the Who's own classic tracks. (Yeah right, Blues..how about RIPPED SHIRTS, RIPPED SHIRTS, JEANNIE NEVER WEARS NO SLIT SKIRTS, SLIT SKIRTS, SHE WON'T BE SEEN IN NO SLIT SKIRT, SLIT SKIRT, CAN'T PRETEND THAT GROWING OLDER NEVER HURTS--=that's= rock and roll. Not Dave Marsh's corny horseshit...)

[Bluesman Mike Lindner]

I won't argue you on that point, but Led Zeppelin had better musicians than anyone in the Who. Don't get me wrong, I like the Who, but Keith Moon often couldn't keep time all the way through a song.
I think we're pretty much in agreement, Jimbow. I don't believe either of us is arguing against fine rock and roll. But consider how much the Who and Zep had in common: 1) a pretty-boy lead singer, 2) an extraordinary bassist who doubled on other instruments, 3) an innovative guitar man, and 4) a spectacular drummer who's excesses put him down =long= before necessary. But I'm a lyric fella myself. That's what I've contributed to the onstage guys and gals I've worked with through the years. And I consider Pete's lyrics, in their way--certainly in their unblinking honesty--as good as Dylan's. And Dylan is the MASTER. Try as I may, I can't see Robert Plant writing something as simple and insightful as, "Now and then/you see a soul/and you fall in love/you can't do a thing about it." And I'm not denegrating Plant's talents for a second. I just don't think he and Pete work on the same plane. No diss--after a lotta years, I don't (sob) either. (Hey--I'm trying hard, though--why, just this week, I found two new rhymes for "orange!") But Jimbow--what songs didn't Keith keep solid time through?

[jimbow8]

I think Zep and the Who have a lot in common, I just have always liked Zep a lot more. Mainly because I like Bonham's "power drumming" style and the way Bonham isn't just there to keep tempo (like most drummers) but is actually a contributor. I also have a TON of respect for the fact that Zep called it quits when Bonzo died. I think that was a totally classy thing to do and a show of respect to Bonzo. There could not be a Led Zeppelin without him.

As for the song(s) which Keith Moon is off time, I honestly forget. It is one of their more popular songs like You Better, You Bet or Who Are You. One of my roomies in college was a drummer who pointed it out to me. I think he at one point programmed a drum machine to keep time in order to gauge the changes in Moon's drumming throughout the song. I was always kind of amused by it.

[Scott Miller]

As for the song(s) which Keith Moon is off time, I honestly forget. It is one of their more popular songs like You Better, You Bet or Who Are You. One of my roomies in college was a drummer who pointed it out to me. I think he at one point programmed a drum machine to keep time in order to gauge the changes in Moon's drumming throughout the song. I was always kind of amused by it.

If that is the song then your argument holds no water because Moon was dead by the release of Face Dances. I believe it is Kenny Jones providing the drums. Besides rock-n-roll isn't about precision, it is about energy which Moon supplied in spades. Either way, Moon and Bonzo are the two greatest rock drummers of all time.

Favorite Who tunes: The Seeker, I'm a Boy, Goin' Mobile, Join Together, Pictures of Lily, My Wife, Teenage Wasteland, A Legal Matter (great Townshend vocals), Relay, I'm Free, and all of Quadrophenia, especially The Real Me, 5:15, I'm One, The Dirty Jobs and Love, Reign O'er Me.

Special mention goes to Pete's 1st solo outing-Who Came First.

Favorite Zep (the lords of excess) tunes: Misty Mountain Hop, The Song Remains the Same, The Ocean, Fool in the Rain, Tangerine, Celebration Day, Going to California, Nobody's Fault but Mine, The Rover, Houses of the Holy, Bron-Yr-Aur, Down by the Seaside, Ten Years Gone, Night Flight, and Black Country Woman.

Both lists could be considerably longer I realize, but the brain has expelled its last breath.

Scott

[Bluesman Mike Lindner]

Good to see another rockin' soul likes RELAY, one of the Who's most underrated. Check out the BBC version--mighty!

[Biggles]

Favorite Who tunes: ... Teenage Wasteland... .

Scott


Don't you mean Baba O'Riley?

[Bluesman Mike Lindner]

Don't you mean Baba O'Riley?
Yep, that's the real title, but I recall more than one occasion when a customer asked record store me for the Who album with "Teenage Wasteland." Awright, Biggles...what 3 Who songs have numbers for titles?

[jimbow8]

Don't you mean Baba O'Riley?
I was going to correct him on that one, too, but usually when I do people give me disdainful looks.

Its one of my music pet peeves.

The other is when people pronounce the Zeppelin song as Die-Err May-ker. Man, I wish they would've thought the lettering of that song through a little better!

[Biggles]

I was going to correct him on that one, too, but usually when I do people give me disdainful looks.

Its one of my music pet peeves.

The other is when people pronounce the Zeppelin song as Die-Err May-ker. Man, I wish they would've thought the lettering of that song through a little better!

My pet peeve is when people confuse Jethro Tull with Ian Anderson, as you might expect.

[Biggles]

Yep, that's the real title, but I recall more than one occasion when a customer asked record store me for the Who album with "Teenage Wasteland." Awright, Biggles...what 3 Who songs have numbers for titles?

5:15, 905, 1921? How about I'm One, does that count?

[Ken Valentine]

No argument from this quarter. The sly wink of the stutter in "My Generation" and the most down-and-dirty, eyes-wide-open political song ever: "Won't Get Fooled Again."

Won't get fooled again? I must have missed that one. Where can I find a copy?
My favorite "political" song is Sunshine by Jonathan Edwards.

Ken V.

[Biggles]

Won't get fooled again? I must have missed that one. Where can I find a copy?
My favorite "political" song is Sunshine by Jonathan Edwards.

Ken V.

It's on the album "Who's Next". I loved it 30 years ago, even before I became an anarchist (or maybe before I realized I was one). If there's an anarchists' theme song, that's it!

[Ken Valentine]

It's on the album "Who's Next". I loved it 30 years ago, even before I became an anarchist (or maybe before I realized I was one). If there's an anarchists' theme song, that's it!

Thanks Biggles. But where can I actually get a copy? Online?

Ken - doesn't get out much - V.

[Bluesman Mike Lindner]

[Ken, you'll find WHO'S NEXT at any halfway decent music store, but make sure you get the expanded version with an extra CD of a contemporaneous concert by the (ahem) lads. God, could they rock. I only saw the Who live once, at the Buffalo War Memorial in 1975 (opening act: Toots and the Maytalls!), but jeez... still among my fondest concert memories. What other band could open the show with their =first single= ("I Can't Explain"), get the crowd on their feet, and lift matters to a higher plane from there? Mercy!

[Bluesman Mike Lindner]

Well done, Biggles. You rock! But now for a tougher one... In which Who songs does the title of the tune =not= appear in the lyrics? (Instrumentals don't count, blast yer warty hide...)

[jimbow8]

Well done, Biggles. You rock! But now for a tougher one... In which Who songs does the title of the tune =not= appear in the lyrics? (Instrumentals don't count, blast yer warty hide...)
If this were a question about Zeppelin, there would be MANY of them.

[Bluesman Mike Lindner]

That's true, Jimbow. But unlike Plant, Pete usually kept his mind on his work. :D

[jimbow8]

[Ken, you'll find WHO'S NEXT at any halfway decent music store, but make sure you get the expanded version with an extra CD of a contemporaneous concert by the (ahem) lads. God, could they rock. I only saw the Who live once, at the Buffalo War Memorial in 1975 (opening act: Toots and the Maytalls!), but jeez... still among my fondest concert memories. What other band could open the show with their =first single= ("I Can't Explain"), get the crowd on their feet, and lift matters to a higher plane from there? Mercy!
Ken, beware of any cut of Won't Get Fooled Again that actually says "Extended Cut." I bought a greatest hits entitled Who's Better, Who's Best (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000008MA6/qid=1081778088/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/102-2832080-2069768?v=glance&s=music) which says "Extended Cut" but is actually only about 3:30 min instead of the normal 7:00min -ish (?) album version. That pissed me off immensely when I first bought it. I wound up buying Who's Next (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000002OX7/qid=1081778465/sr=2-2/ref=sr_2_2/102-2832080-2069768) later anyway.

[Bluesman Mike Lindner]

Sounds like typical record company idiocy, Jimbow. I'd try to count up Who compilations since MEATY BEATY BIG AND BOUNCY, but life is short and I grow old. Is there another band whose catalog has been recycled as relentlessly as the Who's? The Beach Boys, maybe?

[Biggles]

Well done, Biggles. You rock! But now for a tougher one... In which Who songs does the title of the tune =not= appear in the lyrics? (Instrumentals don't count, blast yer warty hide...)

I don't believe "Baba O'Riley" is ever mentioned in said song. "Quadrophenia" is not entirely instrumental, is it? I'll have to think on others. How many are there?

[Biggles]

Thanks Biggles. But where can I actually get a copy? Online?

Ken - doesn't get out much - V.

"Who's Next" is like "Dark Side of the Moon" and "Aqualung"..any record, sorry music, store (forgot myself there) that doesn't always have it in stock doesn't deserve your business.

[Bluesman Mike Lindner]

[QUAD is an opera like TOMMY. Many good songs, some instrumentals. As to how many Who songs don't have the title in the actual lyrics...well, Biggles, I'm not sure myself. I'd say at least 5, les than 10. Time running out on my rented computer, will get back to you on Sunday. Keep rocking!

[Scott Miller]

Don't you mean Baba O'Riley?

Of course. Back in middle school my friends and I used to sneer at anyone who called the song Teenage Wasteland; it was a litmus test to determine whether someone was cool enough to hang with us. We were obviously quite mature for our age.

Scott

[jimbow8]

"Who's Next" is like "Dark Side of the Moon" and "Aqualung"..any record, sorry music, store (forgot myself there) that doesn't always have it in stock doesn't deserve your business.
And Fleetwood Mac Rumours.

[Biggles]

And Fleetwood Mac Rumours.

To each his own. Fleetwood Mac was always too light for me. I'm more of a Blue Oyster Cult kinda guy.

[jimbow8]

To each his own. Fleetwood Mac was always too light for me. I'm more of a Blue Oyster Cult kinda guy.
But regardless, any music store worth a crap should have a copy of Rumours.

[Bluesman Mike Lindner]

Awright, Biggles, here's what I've come up with. My Who CDs are on loan to my cousin right now (a young man whould have a grounding in the classics), so I'm relying on my memory, broken reed though it is. By Pete: DOGS, BABA O'RILEY, COOKS COUNTY, OVERTURE (there is a vocal on this, "Captain Walker didn't come home...), 1921 ('21 is mentioned, not =19=21) SALLY SIMPSON, GLOW GIRL, PUNK AND THE GODFATHER, HELPLESS DANCER. By the Ox: POSTCARD, SUCCESS STORY, HEAVEN AND HELL, COUSIN KEVIN, DR. JECKYLL AND MR. HYDE. I've probably missed a few, but I gave it my manly best.

[Bluesman Mike Lindner]

To each his own. Fleetwood Mac was always too light for me. I'm more of a Blue Oyster Cult kinda guy.

I like both, but check out some of Lindsay's songs on TUSK. The man was demented! (And I mean that in a good way, o'course.)

[Sam]

Not to change the subject guys but since you all seem to be musically knowledgable, has anybody ever came up with a good theme song for the RJ movie???????

[Biggles]

Not to change the subject guys but since you all seem to be musically knowledgable, has anybody ever came up with a good theme song for the RJ movie???????


Blue Oyster Cult: "Beat 'Em Up" ("Club Ninja" album), "Don't Turn Your Back" or "Veteran of the Psychic Wars" ("Fires of Unknown Origin")
Wishbone Ash: "Warrior"
Black Sabbath: "Iron Man"
Peter Gabriel: "Shock the Monkey" ("Security")
Genesis: "Tonight, Tonight, Tonight"
Who: "Won't Get Fooled Again" ("Who's Next")
Steely Dan: "Do It Again" or "Night By Night"

I'm sure I can think of more.

[Biggles]

Blue Oyster Cult: "Beat 'Em Up" ("Club Ninja" album), "Don't Turn Your Back" or "Veteran of the Psychic Wars" ("Fires of Unknown Origin")
Wishbone Ash: "Warrior"
Black Sabbath: "Iron Man"
Peter Gabriel: "Shock the Monkey" ("Security")
Genesis: "Tonight, Tonight, Tonight"
Who: "Won't Get Fooled Again" ("Who's Next")
Steely Dan: "Do It Again" or "Night By Night"

I'm sure I can think of more.

Sure enough!

Rush: "A Passage to Bangkok" ("2112") Nice exotic "Eastern" sound at the beginning.
Golden Earring: "When the Bullet Hits the Bone"

[jimbow8]

Golden Earring: "When the Bullet Hits the Bone"
I think you mean "Twilight Zone"

[jimbow8]

AC/DC - Hell's Bells
ZZ Top - Thug
U.F.O. - Too Hot to Handle

[Biggles]

I think you mean "Twilight Zone"

Damn your eyes, Jim!!!

But seriously, I realized my mistake almost immediately and was going to write a nice mea culpa, admitting to a "Teenage Wasteland" (AKA senior) moment. Well as Bones used to say to another Jim in such circumstances: "Dammit Jim, I'm a doctor (of jurisprudence), not a (whatever)".

[Biggles]

Van Der Graaf Generator: "Killer" (listen to the words)
Emerson Lake & Palmer: "Knife Edge" or something from "Tarkus"

[Bluesman Mike Lindner]

Not to change the subject guys but since you all seem to be musically knowledgable, has anybody ever came up with a good theme song for the RJ movie???????

The flick needs an original theme. Gee, Paul, I just happen to know a composer/lyricist team that does quality work at very reasonable rates. I believe you can contact them at...hold on just a sec, let me see here...oh, yeah!--bluesman2628@yahoo.com.

BTW, Sam, I see you're posting from Point Pleasant, WV. Were you around during the Mothman days? I've known John Keel, author of THE MOTHMAN PROPHECIES for a long time. He was a constant visitor to Point Pleasant in 1966-67. Strange, strange goings-on.

[Sam]

BTW, Sam, I see you're posting from Point Pleasant, WV. Were you around during the Mothman days? I've known John Keel, author of THE MOTHMAN PROPHECIES for a long time. He was a constant visitor to Point Pleasant in 1966-67. Strange, strange goings-on.[/QUOTE]

Afraid it was a few years before my time. I used to date Linda Scarberry's daughter for over a year and there is a couple of stories that I'm not sure Mr. Keel was aware of. It has been a long time since I read his book. My mom lived here during the events but didn't have any experiences. Everett Wedge is my landlord but I've never spoken to him about any of it. Of the people I know personally who were involved, he is the one I'd "trust" the most. A pretty straight-forward guy from what I can tell. I figure if he wanted to talk about it , he would. I think something did happen back then, but what exactly I don't know. I'm pretty skeptical about everything. Got to see it to believe it. I do know that there is an abundance of ghost experiences here. Had a few myself that I couldn't explain as anything but. What was Mr. Keel's thoughts on the movie?? The majority of the town was disappointed.

So, what do you play? I play a little guitar myself. Just whatever catches my ear. Anything from Andre Segovia to Pantera. I can't play like them, but I love to try. As for the Blues, I'm an SRV fan. The video Live at El Mocambo blows me away. I have some bootlegs of Randy Rhoads (my all around fav) but most are poor quality video. I think Jack needs a bluesy song along the lines of "Dirty Deeds..." by AC/DC.

[fpw]

I think Jack needs a bluesy song along the lines of "Dirty Deeds..." by AC/DC.

That's an ugly song, but a good idea. I can hear something along the lines of Elmore James's "Dust My Broom" -- same slide riff, same tempo, just different words:

The R-J Blues

I wake up ev’ry mornin, feelin troubled all the time
You know I wake up ev’ry mornin, feelin troubled all the time
Gotta find me a repairman, who can fix my worried mind

Goin down the corner, find this guy I heard about
Gonna drop a dime on Ma Bell, call this guy I heard about
Gonna tell this guy my problem, see if he can help me out

Well I give him all my money, every cent and that’s all right
Yeah, the repairman took my money, every cent but that’s all right
He went and fixed that problem, and now I sleep so good at night

Don’t go messin’ with this fella, or you’ll find a world o’ hurt
You mess with the repairman, you could find a world o’ hurt
You may think you're havin' dinner, but you’ll get yo’ just desserts.

The guy might be an angel, but he could be the devil too
Yeah, Jack might be an angel, or he could be the devil too
Only thing I know is, you don’t want him mad at you.

[Scott Miller]

That's an ugly song, but a good idea. I can hear something along the lines of Elmore James's "Dust My Broom" -- same slide riff, same tempo, just different words:

The R-J Blues

I wake up ev’ry mornin, feelin troubled all the time
You know I wake up ev’ry mornin, feelin troubled all the time
Gotta find me a repairman, who can fix my worried mind

Goin down the corner, find this guy I heard about
Gonna drop a dime on Ma Bell, call this guy I heard about
Gonna tell this guy my problem, see if he can help me out

Well I give him all my money, every cent and that’s all right
Yeah, the repairman took my money, every cent but that’s all right
He went and fixed that problem, and now I sleep so good at night

Don’t go messin’ with this fella, or you’ll find a world o’ hurt
You mess with the repairman, you could find a world o’ hurt
You may think you're havin' dinner, but you’ll get yo’ just desserts.

The guy might be an angel, but he could be the devil too
Yeah, Jack might be an angel, or he could be the devil too
Only thing I know is, you don’t want him mad at you.


Time to round up the guys from the old band and get some studio time.

Scott

[Bluesman Mike Lindner]

That's an ugly song, but a good idea. I can hear something along the lines of Elmore James's "Dust My Broom" -- same slide riff, same tempo, just different words:

The R-J Blues

I wake up ev’ry mornin, feelin troubled all the time
You know I wake up ev’ry mornin, feelin troubled all the time
Gotta find me a repairman, who can fix my worried mind

Goin down the corner, find this guy I heard about
Gonna drop a dime on Ma Bell, call this guy I heard about
Gonna tell this guy my problem, see if he can help me out

Well I give him all my money, every cent and that’s all right
Yeah, the repairman took my money, every cent but that’s all right
He went and fixed that problem, and now I sleep so good at night

Don’t go messin’ with this fella, or you’ll find a world o’ hurt
You mess with the repairman, you could find a world o’ hurt
You may think you're havin' dinner, but you’ll get yo’ just desserts.

The guy might be an angel, but he could be the devil too
Yeah, Jack might be an angel, or he could be the devil too
Only thing I know is, you don’t want him mad at you.

Well done, Bluesman Paul! Yeah--"You may think you're havin' dinner, but you'll get yo' just desserts." All right!

[Sam]

Yeah, the words to Dirty Deeds are wrong for Jack, but I was thinking of the music. Something kind of dark and hard hitting. Don't think I've heard the song FPW mentioned but will check it out. Heh, maybe Tenacious-D could come up with a song. :D

[fpw]

I've heard the song FPW mentioned but will check it out.

You've never heard "Dust My Broom"? A treat awaits: It's called The Blues.

[Sam]

Heard a short clip of that song and it does kick ass. It sounded familiar so I looked at the credits of a movie I have called Crossroads ( NO, NOT the Britney Spears one) but it wasn't on the soundtrack. The movie has to do with Robert Johnson, and his song "Crossroads" is on the soundtrack but most of the music is written and performed by Ry Cooder. It's actually a really good movie with a great soundtrack and a killer guitar duel at the end. Check it out if you get the chance. Think you will like it.

[fpw]

Robert Johnson, and his song "Crossroads" is on the soundtrack but most of the music is written and performed by Ry Cooder. It's actually a really good movie with a great soundtrack and a killer guitar duel at the end. Check it out if you get the chance.

Like it? I bought the laserdisk just so I could transfer the Ry Cooder-Steve Vai guitar duel to tape. It's better when you can see what's going on -- the guitar work is still superb, but you miss Vai's demonic expressions, and you can't see Gretchen Palmer dancing (which is almost worth the price of admission itself).

[Bluesman Mike Lindner]

Heard a short clip of that song and it does kick ass. It sounded familiar so I looked at the credits of a movie I have called Crossroads ( NO, NOT the Britney Spears one) but it wasn't on the soundtrack. The movie has to do with Robert Johnson, and his song "Crossroads" is on the soundtrack but most of the music is written and performed by Ry Cooder. It's actually a really good movie with a great soundtrack and a killer guitar duel at the end. Check it out if you get the chance. Think you will like it.

You'll never go wrong with fine blues music, Sam. Never. Anyway, here's the lowdown on THE MOTHMAN PROPHECIES. The book was first published in 1975. For the first month, sales were excellent. John's editor called him up: "Looks like we got a best seller on our hands, Keel!" After that month, sales dropped like a stone, leaving mucho big copies languishing on bookstore shelves. Everyone interested in Mothman bought the book as soon as it came out. No one else wanted to know. John was not surprised. He's been a professional writer since the age of 16. He has few illusions about the writing biz, and a pessimistic attitude towards life in general. (Whenever I call him to shoot the shit, I ask, "How's it going, John?" His invariable answer is, "Things are grim, Lindner. Life is rotten. What's your latest disaster?") He got a little $$ for the rights to the book, all of which went to the Infernal Revenue Service. Many freelance writers neglect their tax obligations--can't imagine why, since they're all swimming in money.
But the book had gained an underground reputation, and it seems Richard Gere liked it a lot, and used his star-influence to finally get it into production. At the premiere, John got a kiss and a bunch of roses from Laura, a handshake and a bottle of wine from Richard, and a MOTHMAN PROPHECIES t-shirt. When John went to see the flick again back home in NY, no one thought to arrange a pass for him. He had to pay to see his own movie! ("But I was lucky, Lindner. I had my senior-citizen's discount card on me.") He was pretty well pleased with the flick, though. He'd thought the book was unfilmable, and was happy to get a little check each year for the rights to the title THE MOTHMAN PROPHECIES. (John addresses this in his own words in the paperback reissue of the book.) He thought the film did a good job in recreating the eerie atmosphere of Point Pleasant during the Mothman flap. (BTW, remember the first "Men In Black" movie? The agents' names were "J" and "K". Gosh, wonder how they picked those particular letters...) Anyway, I'd be very much interested in learning about any Point Pleasant weirdness John missed out on. (Always wanted to die howling in a madhouse, raving of forbidden lore...)

[Biggles]

I think the idea of Jack's soundtrack being blues is a great one for a number of reasons:

1. Blues are timeless, and if Jack's character is to be a franchise, then a soundtrack that is just as relevant 10 years hence is important.

2. Jack's Weltanshauung is somewhat fatalistic, and he's a subscriber to Murphy's Law, so the Blues seem appropriate.

3. Jack lives in the past somewhat, in that he appreciates classic movies, pop culture, etc. He's gotta love classic Blues.

What do you think, Paul?

[fpw]

. Jack lives in the past somewhat, in that he appreciates classic movies, pop culture, etc. He's gotta love classic Blues.

What do you think, Paul?

I agree 200% but the demnographics will probably demand a hip-hop track. Or something by Pink. (Although I could get with an Ice-T soundtrack.)

[Sam]

Don't get me wrong guys!! I do love the blues. I'm just not an avid fan. The emotions of blues music is incredible and I tend to be guitar oriented with my music preference. I'm sure you will hate me for this but I've always been into heavy metal more than any other music (but not speed metal bands, that's too much). But that doesn't mean I don't appreciate all types of music, except rap. UGH!!!
I thought Machio was overacting during his winning classical piece at the end. Until I got the sheet music to that piece. He was pretty close on most, especially when he was going up and down on the neck at break-arm speed. That piece was written and played by Via and derived from Paganini. A real mother to play!! Think my fav piece was Walkin Man's Blues. God what a sound.
I'd love to talk to Danielle (Linda Scarberry's daughter) and make sure my stories are straight with the Mothman stuff, BUT there is a BIG problem with that family. One that I don't want to go into on a public site. It's been about 12 years since she and I dated, so I may not remember them exactly. I don't like to speak of things unless I'm quite certain they are correct, but I'm not perfect. I know of couple of the stories have to do with MIB. BTW, never noticed the J and K in that movie. Got a good laugh from that.

[Scott Miller]

I'm no connoisseur of straight blues, but I do appreciate a bluesy element in many rock bands like the Stones or Zep. My blues collection consists mainly of a few greatest hits CDs but I have no qualms in recommending Freddie King, Albert Collins, or Lonny Brooks. King in particular gets my juices flowing; an unbelievable guitarist who never met a hook he didn't embrace. He is a true master of the instrumental.

Another musician I enjoy whose work is usually found in the blues section is Taj Mahal, although I don't consider him to be strictly a bluesman.

My most exciting musical discovery of late is Scotty Anderson whose music is a hybrid of blues, jazz, country and rock. A true guitar virtuoso.

Scott

[fpw]

Another musician I enjoy whose work is usually found in the blues section is Taj Mahal, although I don't consider him to be strictly a bluesman.

Duane Allman learned slide guitar listening to Taj Mahal's guitarist Jessie Ed Davis. Compare the 2 tracks. Jessie Ed was first.

[Blake]

Blue Oyster Cult: "Beat 'Em Up" ("Club Ninja" album), "Don't Turn Your Back" or "Veteran of the Psychic Wars" ("Fires of Unknown Origin")
Wishbone Ash: "Warrior"
Black Sabbath: "Iron Man"
Peter Gabriel: "Shock the Monkey" ("Security")
Genesis: "Tonight, Tonight, Tonight"
Who: "Won't Get Fooled Again" ("Who's Next")
Steely Dan: "Do It Again" or "Night By Night"


I'm a bit late coming into this discussion, but I have to add my two cents on some of the above tracks. I love Tonight, Tonight, Tonight, but it strikes me as a little too upbeat-sounding for an RJ movie. (That's despite having one of Phil Collins's darker lyrics. It's about a strung-out guy trying to procure his next hit from his pusher, which kind of cracks me up when I hear it playing in, say, the supermarket.)

The Genesis track I think would be great in an RJ movie: Back in N.Y.C.! (One of my musical pet peeves: people who confuse Phil Collins with Genesis and/or don't even know Peter Gabriel used to be their singer. And Steve Hackett is my favorite guitarist ever.) I could maybe see The Light Dies Down on Broadway for a movie, too.

Shock the Monkey: Probably not a bad choice since people know it. I don't think I hear it much in movies, either. (People always seem to want In Your Eyes.) I'd add some other Gabriel songs to the list for consideration: Down the Dolce Vita (I've always thought that would make a great movie track -- maybe even over opening credits), Intruder, Not One of Us, I Don't Remember, Darkness, and maybe others if I thought about it more.

Won't Get Fooled Again is a terrific choice, too. I've never been much of a Who fan, but the opening of that song is one of the greatest pieces of music around, IMHO.

Others I'd add:

Robert Plant: Watching You
Pink Floyd: Run Like Hell
The Moody Blues: Twilight Time (from the last half of "Evening" on the Days of Future Passed album)
Roger Waters: Amused to Death
Marillion: Man of a Thousand Faces
Led Zeppelin: In the Evening, When the Levee Breaks (my favorite off of the ZOSO album; I think it's unfairly overshadowed by the good -- but overplayed -- Stairway to Heaven)

Wow, I think this is my most long-winded post so far, at least since the transition to the new board. :)

Blake

[Blake]

I was going to correct him on that one, too, but usually when I do people give me disdainful looks.

Its one of my music pet peeves.

The other is when people pronounce the Zeppelin song as Die-Err May-ker. Man, I wish they would've thought the lettering of that song through a little better!

Haven't I heard Robert Plant pronounce it that way? Maybe on the DVD or something? I know it's supposed to be pronounced like "Jamaica", but that's why it stuck in my head that it was so weird to hear Plant pronounce it phonetically instead. Can anyone back me up on this?

Blake

[Scott Miller]

Duane Allman learned slide guitar listening to Taj Mahal's guitarist Jessie Ed Davis. Compare the 2 tracks. Jessie Ed was first.[/SIZE]

Who's Duane Allman? :D

[fpw]

Who's Duane Allman? :D

...crushing pain...in chest...where are pills?...everything...going...bla

[Richard Kendrick]

Like it? I bought the laserdisk just so I could transfer the Ry Cooder-Steve Vai guitar duel to tape. It's better when you can see what's going on -- the guitar work is still superb, but you miss Vai's demonic expressions, and you can't see Gretchen Palmer dancing (which is almost worth the price of admission itself).

Steve Vai has released most of his movie soundtrack work on a cd called Elusive Light & Sound 1 if you'd like to have that Crossroads duel on CD.

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000066AZS.01._PE_SCMZZZZZZZ_.jpg (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000066AZS/qid=1083338490/sr=8-10/ref=pd_ka_10/102-7515702-2607307?v=glance&s=music&n=507846)

I agree, I prefer to watch it while I hear it.

RIK